this whole thing sparked for me, at the very beginning, when I was doing outreach with the MIT Museum, I've been doing Museum of Science Center outreach for a long time. Had the keys to the van. At every institution I've gone to. But I had the chance to be part of this outreach, and not have to do anything. I got to show up, see what was going on, and then walk away from the table, walk away from the tent. And when you start walking away from the table, and walk away from the tent, and this is not a metaphor, they had tables and tents, and they're down, and they're intense, and they're in their activity. And they're in their space. And that's great. But then you step back, and you look at, "Well, there's the tent. Look at everything else, swirling around. Look at all the other things. And why are people here? What are people doing at this particular fair, at this particular festival?" That you hadn't seen the cosplay awards before, that's fine. I'm not putting any judgment on that. But to me, that was the first spark, is being able to handle this, because you were working. You were busy. That it's completely natural, that you would have thought, that there's this opportunity over there. And maybe the wrestling, you might not have even thought of, except for that you happened to be right next to it, so you couldn't avoid it. But I there's something about, maybe Helen could speak up just a little bit, for the value of just letting yourself be a participant at times as opposed to being on on on and being a producer.