so much of our professional development exists in conference spaces. And sometimes there are moments where that's super, super, super helpful, but I also think that this intimate, you're observing me on my ground, in my space and giving you that feedback, it's a totally different professional development, but I feel it captures something the money spent in a conference space, never could. And I think that's a really, really important piece, especially I think for you Ben, because that's often where you sit and you do so many things, but I feel in just thinking about the balance of funding and attention and time and all that stuff, I think being able to have people support each other on the ground is hugely valuable.